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Article's topics: Richard GoldstoneDore GoldBrandeis University 

Former Israeli ambassador Dore Gold wanted the last word after his matchup with Judge Richard Goldstone at Brandeis University last week. If it wasn't obvious during the testy exchange between the two, it became clear when Gold convened a news conference following the two-hour debate on Thursday night. (Click here to watch the debate).

Richard Goldstone (right) and...

Richard Goldstone (right) and Dore Gold
Photo: AP, Ariel Jerozolimski

"I'm not here because the government of Israel sent me," he told reporters, as he hammered home his arguments again and again. On a main point - Israel's refusal to cooperate with the probe - Gold said cooperation would not have improved the final report, which charged Israel and Hamas with war crimes during Operation Cast Lead in Gaza last winter. "This was a fixed fact-finding mission," Gold said. "It wasn't looking for the truth. It was looking for a narrative that condemned Israel and let Hamas off the hook."

Then why did Gold agree to the debate?

To be sure, the event was a landmark occasion: a former Israeli diplomat appearing on stage with the South African jurist named by the UN to probe Israel's actions during Operation Cast Lead. In fact, hours before Gold and Goldstone were introduced, the UN General Assembly in New York approved a resolution fully endorsing the report and paving the way for the matter to be taken up in the Security Council and down the road, the international courts.

Invited by Brandeis, Gold came to this sleepy college town armed with aerial maps, video and sound clips and other evidence showing how Israel warned Gaza civilians of its impending actions. "I obviously did a great deal of my own preparations," he said, insisting that all of the materials he used were in the public domain. In other words, he used "material the UN Gaza mission could have obtained itself," he told The Jerusalem Post. "It didn't need Israeli participation," he said.

Given the chance to hear an Israeli response to a topic that has dominated headlines since September, when the Goldstone report was made public, hundreds of students, professors and members of the local Jewish community packed into an auditorium at Brandeis. The event was also streamed live over the Web.

Israeli officials who've gone on record about the report have said its mandate from the UN Human Rights Council was flawed and one-sided. Immediately, Goldstone attempted to dispel that argument, saying he wrote the final mandate himself. "It really was my sincere hope," he said, in an argument reiterated throughout the night, "that Israel would seize this opportunity of an evenhanded mandate and cooperate with the mission."

He further dismissed allegations that his report undercuts Israel's right to defend itself. "I publicly stated on many occasions, Israel has the right to protect its citizens," even "a clear duty to do so," he said. The mandate therefore did not question the use of military force, but whether it was used in a manner consistent with international humanitarian law.

Gold's introductory remarks reflected how high the stakes were for Israel. "The UN Gaza report is the most serious and vicious indictment of the State of Israel bearing the seal of the United Nations since the UN General Assembly adopted the infamous 'Zionism is racism' resolution in 1975," he said. "In the report, Hamas, a recognized international terrorist organization, is almost protected throughout its text. Its forces appear innocuously as 'Palestinian armed groups.'"

In fact, he added, by 2008 nearly a million Israelis were under reach of rocket fire, and after Israel withdrew from Gaza the attacks only escalated.

Using slides, Gold's defense was three-pronged, taking on the report's main allegations that Israel deliberately attacked civilians and attacked public buildings resulting in a huge scale of destruction. He showed aerial maps of Gaza, where schools and military caches could be seen in close proximity.

"I ask you, what would you do if your population is facing repeated rocket attacks for eight years and your enemy is embedding his military capacity in his own civilian area?" he asked. He added that the IDF sent multiple warnings - via leaflets and phone messages - but Hamas instructed citizens to act as human shields. Hamas booby-trapped large numbers of buildings in residential areas, he said, showing another map.

GOLD AND Goldstone went head to head when it came to an attack on a Gaza mosque as 300 Palestinians prayed inside. Mosques were militarized, Gold insisted, as Goldstone countered: "You don't mortar shell it during a service... That hasn't been explained to us at all. It's that sort of incident that cries out for investigation by an open, credible investigation in Israel and why shouldn't they do that?"

"I'm telling you this, Israel did not attack that mosque," Gold countered. "Of the 36 incidents that are mentioned in the report, there are 12 that the Israeli army never heard of." Regarding the alleged attack on the mosque, he said, "The Israeli position has been that that mosque was not attacked by Israel."

And they hit a sharp divide over Israel's ability to investigate itself, which Gold expressed confidence would happen. "The military is investigating itself behind closed doors," Goldstone charged. "That's not a legal system. That's not a judicial system. It's not justice at all."

Goldstone and Gold took questions from the audience, with preference given to students, who were urged by the Brandeis president Jehuda Reinharz to "make up your own mind on important and highly contested issues that too often are argued with more heat than light."

Indeed, one student asked Goldstone about the objectivity of one member of the fact-finding team, Christine Chinkin, who in a joint statement published in London's Sunday Times on January 11 said Israel's acts during the amounted to "prima facie war crimes."

Goldstone answered that had the probe been considered "judicial," Chinkin's statement would have disqualified her.

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35. The UN was never intended to be a just coalition. Its foundation was flawed by self-interest from its conception. To expect it now to accept the truth
Chris - USA (11/15/2009 13:12)
34. #31 - Basil. Wake up please and stop posting drivel.
Tom - Australia (11/15/2009 11:54)
33. This article dragged more Israel protesters than its supporters
Sasha T - (11/15/2009 08:23)
32. Churchs were not spared during WW2, mosques are warrooms therefore
Louise JP - Canada (11/14/2009 23:46)
31. Tom (anonymous) -- Ignorance is Bliss
basil platzky - south africa (11/14/2009 23:38)
30. Goldstone cannot be wrong
CJ Meyer - South Africa (11/14/2009 22:38)
29. #26 - Jason
Tom - Australia (11/14/2009 13:26)
28. Goldstone the politician
Dan Burland - USA (11/14/2009 07:37)
27. Bazil
Tom - Australia (11/13/2009 22:34)
26. To Tom - Australia You continually make baseless allegations against the state of Israel without providing any evidence to back your claims.
Jason - Atlanta, GA - (11/13/2009 22:33)
25. To # 8 Billclock - USA I agree with you. To suggest that an equal number of pages had to be given to both actions to avoid bias, is just silly.
Jason - Atlanta, GA - (11/13/2009 21:01)
24. To # 2 Miri - England I completely disagree with you. If you watch the debate, you will see Goldstone unable to answer many questions posed to him.
Jason - Atlanta, GA - (11/13/2009 20:52)
23. I watched complete video: Unbelievable the way the editors prejudiced the video making it look like Gold Won.
Ed - USA (11/13/2009 20:27)
22. The Cowardice Of Anonymity -- Tom (surname?)
basil platzky - south africa (11/13/2009 13:40)
21. #16 - Brian
Tom - Australia (11/13/2009 13:26)
20. A point that appears to have escaped the notice of Goldstone, and of several posters here
Stan Goodman - Israel (11/13/2009 12:16)
19. #11 - Gabor Franki
Tom - Australia (11/13/2009 11:42)
18. clearly the so called "evidence isTAINTED>that's an Estoppel>Case CLOSED!!!!
GOLDEN NUGGET - Australia (11/13/2009 10:37)
17. #10 - Rich G - No Evidence?
Tom - Australia (11/13/2009 10:19)
16. Gold told the TRUTH. That is why tom, jack and the rest of the hamas
brian - USA (11/13/2009 08:21)
15. Gold vs Goldstone
Reuven Ben-Daniel - Israel (11/13/2009 08:04)
14. Gold vs Goldstone
Reuven Ben-Daniel - Israel (11/13/2009 08:03)
13. Goldstone, remember the comment you made about your night mare, too bad it didn't happen.
zev - USA (11/13/2009 07:41)
12. Gold's Excuses For War Crimes Were Lame And Pathetic - He Could Have Been Hitler's Lawyer
Jack - (11/13/2009 04:48)
11. Tom
Gabor Frankl - Hungary (11/13/2009 01:54)
10. Goldstone wrong that Israel would deliberately want to bloody civilians in the atmosphere of critics
Rick G - US (11/13/2009 01:32)
9. Basil Platsky - #6
Tom - Australia (11/13/2009 00:07)
8. My goodness, Goldstone certainly won that one!
Billclock - USA (11/12/2009 23:33)
7. Who got the Gold: who got the Bronze - does it matter?
Tom - Australia (11/12/2009 23:05)
6. Feathering his own nest
basil platzky - south africa (11/12/2009 21:04)
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