Erdogan: Assad will be ousted 'sooner or later'

Turkish PM slams Syrian president in CNN interview; continues harsh tone against Israel, saying relations "may never become normal again."

September 24, 2011 20:18
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Turkish PM Erdogan

Edrogan 311. (photo credit: REUTERS/Mohamed Abd El-Ghany)


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WASHINGTON - Syrian President Bashar Assad will be ousted "sooner or later" by his own people as the time of dictatorial rule fades around the world, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said.

Erdogan, in an interview on CNN's "Fareed Zakaria GPS" to be aired on Sunday, maintained his stern tone towards Israel and warned relations may "never become normal again" but he had warm words for US President Barack Obama as Turkey rises as a diplomatic power in the Middle East.

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"You can never remain in power through cruelty. You can never stand before the will of the people," Erdogan said in a transcript released by CNN on Saturday.

"This process might be extended a little bit more but sooner or later in Syria, if people take a different decision, that decision is going to be catered to. Such as in Egypt, such as in Tunisia, such as in Libya. People want to be free."

Democracy is overtaking autocracy, he said, and "dictatorial systems are burning down to the ground."

Turkey, a NATO member and aspirant to join the European Union, is viewed as a bridge between the Western and Islamic worlds. Erdogan has had unprecedented access to Obama, holding nine phone calls with the US president this year.

"Personally, Barack Obama is someone I really like. And vis-a-vis his policies and his implementations, I want him to be much more successful," Erdogan said, wishing him luck in the November 2012 elections.


But the United States and Turkey differ greatly on the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians as a showdown looms over Palestinian statehood at the United Nations.

Ankara's once-friendly ties with Israel crumbled over the killing of Turkish activists on a Gaza-bound aid convoy by Israeli forces last year.

"In this situation, no matter who we are speaking about, democracy, rights and freedom should be defended," Erdogan said.

"We gave our warnings to Israel. This is the reason for war. This is something you cannot do in international waters. But as a great state, we have been very forgiving. That's why we have been very patient."

Turkey has demanded Israel apologize, pay compensation and lift the Gaza embargo.

"If these demands are not met, the relations between Turkey and Israel will never become normal again. We have got nothing against the people of Israel but against the attitude adopted by the administration of Israel," Erdogan said.

"And if you are insistent on creating a source of unrest, you are bound to become lonelier and lonelier. They used to be great friends of ours. And this solitude is Israel's fate under these circumstances."

Turkey has embraced Palestine's position for statehood, while Obama has said he would block any Palestinian bid for full recognition at the UN Security Council.

We don't want clash of civilizations

Erdogan sought to address perceptions that Turkey is moving toward a more Islamic foreign policy, abandoning a history of pro-Western sentiment.

"We seek out knowledge from whichever part of the world that is most advanced," he said.

"We don't want to see the clash of civilizations in this world. We want to see the alliance of civilizations. The world is so fed up with wars."

The prime minister tried to calm concerns over plans for a missile defense base in Turkey, saying the installation is a NATO concept and not a factor in Iran's tensions with Israel.

"We don't think Iran should get offended when there's no reason. We don't want to see Israel coming up with different interpretations from what is actually the reality," he said.

He questioned why Iran should be banned from having nuclear technology while Israel is allowed to be the only country in the region with nuclear weapons.

"Iran says that its only purpose is to generate affordable energy through nuclear power. We do not want to act on presumptions, and no sanctions based on presumptions are acceptable by Turkey," Erdogan said.

He also addressed reports he had taken holidays with Assad, whose crackdown on protests in Syria has led to US calls for the long-time leader to step aside.

Erdogan said Assad was invited to a popular holiday locale but it was to discuss relations between the two countries and the two leaders never took a vacation together.

He said he finally lost patience with Assad.

"If you're going to act against the fundamental rights, liberties and the law, you will lose your position in my heart as my brother and my friend," Erdogan said. "I was very patient. Patience, patience, patience. And then I cracked."

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